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[转帖]现在的学生,现在的教育!唉……


  北京本科拿1500还是有可能的,1200也不要嫌少。现在扩招嘛,别说本科,就是硕士、博士,还不也是王小二过年——一年不如一年。能找口饭吃,就知足吧。

  中国的高等教育是彻底失败的。教出来的人,都是废物,偶尔几个不是废物的,那是人家自学成才。不信,我们可以回忆一下以前学过的两门课:《文献检索》和《药事管理学》。

  文献检索学了一个学期,到现在工作中,谁是用他教的方法查资料了?——MD,老子当年还手工查CA,查得几乎吐血。更不要说查中国专利美国专利欧洲专利什么的了。现在的条件好了,不知道本科生是不是已经可以自由的玩维普、CNKI、万方、OVID······之类的了?如果不是,则文献检索,不学也罢。

  至于药事管理学,更是扯淡。学了半天,居然都不知道新药有几类,不知道执业药师是干嘛的,不晓得GMP、GLP、GCP、GSP的具体内容,顶多会做个名词解释,至于药品集中招标啊,国家标准地方标准进口标准什么的,更是简直没有听说过——这样的药事管理,学个P啊?

  所以,自从推行教育“产业化”以来,学校也成了创造GDP增长的产业,像90年代初的温州资本家一样的大肆制造出假冒伪劣产品骗钱,每年推出的研究生比狗还多,本科生比狗虱还多;用人单位一方面发现自己成了买方市场,随便P大一个小公司发个招聘启事,马上黑压压的一片毕业生哭爹喊娘的奔过来,你说多低的价儿他都干,他不干有的是人干,实在是爽;另一方面,又发现现在的学生素质越发的低,到了岗啥也不会,还要花钱花时间培训。因此,毕业生的工资当然是每况愈下了。

  普及高等教育,本是美事,然则中国普及的却是“高等教育文凭”,作为药学的本科,毕业时居然会不知道新药的注册过程,不知道新药的研发过程,没有操作过HPLC、GC,没有见过软胶囊机、滴丸机;在生物技术四处开花的世纪,没有玩过质粒转染、PCR、ELISA,对分子生物学一无所知;英语基本上学的是聋哑英文,牛B的也不过是自学了托福GRE,给他一个“分析方法学验证”都不晓得怎么翻译成英文;中药提取的什么超临流先进技术就不说了,连正交、均匀试验设计是咋回事都不晓得;药理也是,伟哥这么牛B的药,为什么教材里不讲(NO的机制可是拿了诺贝尔奖的),因循守旧,讲的都是几十年的老药,学生能有新思路么?至于毒理学,什么急毒长毒生殖毒,又有哪门课讲过?我承认有些学校的教材里面有一点点致突变试验的内容,但遗憾的是都是在微生物书里的不起眼位置;而细胞凋亡都快要成为陈年旧学问了,我们的教材中仍然语焉不详,至于新兴的细胞色素P450,似乎还没有被编进哪本教材中,也就是在生物化学的呼吸链一节很古典的提了一下。

  虽然教材是几年一更新,但几乎看不到升级的迹象,尤其是TMD《分析化学》,居然是越编越薄,越变越浅,本来我就认为其没有编入热分析的内容是不对的,他他他居然不但不补充,反而删减了好多内容,真是整不明白;再加上授课老师万年不变的讲义——哦,对不起,还是变了一点,现在都是PPT幻灯了,但是一看内容,“音容宛在”——到底还是没变。

  知识在爆炸式的增长,学校的教育却如太平间一样阴沉古板,死硬而不朽,教得出什么人才来?

  呀,这一不小心倒苦水倒多了,赶紧收住。总之我的意思是:有这样的教育,有这样的政策,我们就注定了只能这么活。

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楼主大哥说的太对了,学校学的东西根本就不实用,不用说陈旧的理论,就算是跟的上时代的理论如果让学生硬记,而和实践不有机结合的话,那也没用,考完就忘。

可是现在学校就是这个实情,管理的不懂行,懂行的不管理。这样下去,我们和外国之间的差距会越来越大的。

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说的也有道理,但有一句认为不妥,“不知道本科生是不是已经可以自由的玩维普、CNKI、万方、OVID······之类的了?如果不是,则文献检索,不学也罢。 ”
查文献一定要这几个收费网站吗?你不知道联合参考与文献传递网是免费的吗,功能比以上几个网站好多了

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另外也不要要求太高了,楼主你想想你毕业的时候会了多少呢?很多是在工作中慢慢学的。也不要在这里吓唬年轻人嘛,把学弟学妹门吓坏了不好哦

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Going Home

I first heard this story a few years ago from a girl I had met in New York's Greenwich Village. Probably the story is one of those mysterious bits of folklore that reappear every few years, to be told a new in one form or another. However, I still like to think that it really did happen, somewhere, sometime.(wow power leveling,)
  
  They were going to Fort Lauderdalethree boys and three girls and when they boarded the bus, they were carrying sandwiches and wine in paper bags, dreaming of golden beaches as the gray cold of New York vanished behind them.
  
  As the bus passed through New Jersey, they began to notice Vingo. He sat in front of them, dressed in a plain, ill-fitting suit, never moving, his dusty face masking his age. He kept chewing the inside of his lip a lot, frozen into some personal cocoon of silence.

  
  Deep into the night, outside Washington, the bus pulled into Howard Johnson's, and everybody got off except Vingo. He sat rooted in his seat, and the young people began to wonder about him, trying to imagine his life: perhaps he was a sea captain, a runaway from his wife, an old soldier going home. When they went back to the bus, one of the girls sat beside him and introduced herself. Sro Gold
  
  “We're going to Florida,” she said brightly.“ I hear it's really beautiful.”

  “It is, ” he said quietly, as if remembering something he had tried to forget.

  “Want some wine?” she said. He smiled and took a swig. He thanked her and retreated again into his silence. After a while, she went back to the others, and Vingo nodded in sleep.


  In the morning, they awoke outside another Howard Johnson's,and this time Vingo went in. The girl insisted that he join them. He seemed very shy, and ordered black coffee and smoked nervously as the young people chattered about sleeping on beaches. When they returned to the bus, the girl sat with Vingo again, and after a while, slowly and painfully, he told his story. He had been in jail in New York for the past four years, and now he was going home.
 
  “Are you married?” World of Warcraft power leveling

  “I don't know.”

  “You don't know?” she said.

  “Well, when I was in jail I wrote to my wife,” he said. “ I told her that I was going to be away a long time, and that if she couldn't stand it, if the kids kept asking questions, if it hurt too much, well, she could just forget me, I'd understand. Get a new guy, I saidshe‘s a wonderful woman,really somethingand forget about me. I told her she didn't have to write me for nothing. And she didn‘t. Not for three and a half years.”

  “And you're going home now, not knowing?”

  “Yeah,” he said shyly. “ Well, last week, when I was sure the parole was coming through, I wrote her again. We used to live in Brunswick, just before Jacksonville, and there's a big oak tree just as you come into town. I told her that if she'd take me back, she should put a yellow handkerchief on the tree, and I'd get off and come home. If she didn't want me, forget itno handkerchief, and I'd go on through.”

  “Wow,” the girl exclaimed. “Wow.”  world of warcraft power leveling

  She told the others, and soon all of them were in it, caught up in the approach of Brunswick, looking at the pictures Vingo showed them of his wife and three children. The woman was handsome in a plain way, the children still unformed in the much-handled snapshots.  
 
  Now they were 20 miles from Brunswick, and the young people took over window seats on the right side, waiting for the approach of the great oak tree. The bus acquired a dark, hushed mood, full of the silence of absence and lost years. Vingo stopped looking, tightening his face into the ex-con's mask, as if fortifying himself against still another disappointment.

  Then Brunswick was ten miles, and then five. Then,suddenly, all of the young people were up out of their seats, screaming and shouting and crying, doing small dances of joy. All except Vingo.  wow power level

  Vingo sat there stunned, looking at the oak tree. It was covered with yellow handkerchiefs20 of them, 30 of them, maybe hundreds, a tree that stood like a banner of welcome billowing in the wind. As the young people shouted, the old con rose and made his way to the front of the bus to go home.

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楼主的话虽然有点过激,但却是真的而且是大量的存在,我就见过很多这样的所谓药学专业的研究生、本科生,应聘时说的挺在理的,可到了实际工作岗位是一问三不知,而且连最基本的东西都不明白,真不知道是怎么学的。

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额。。。。不过学校就这样,,适应吧

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